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KetamineCal's avatar

A lot of ideologies seem to forget that people sometimes like doing nice things for other people. Not every relationship between two people (or even groups) is some zero-sum power struggle. And you'll definitely have issues in a relationship if you are constantly worried about maintaining dominance.

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I'm with you on not getting why "dressing for the male gaze" is bad (though I'm admittedly a man). Relationships are a big part of life. It's also an area where there is a meaningful competition, so why not make an effort. No one would advise you to not "dress for the employer's gaze" and start wearing a t-shirt and ripped jeans to job interviews.

I also assume that most people find it nice when people find them attractive - on the rare occasions I've gotten a compliment on my attractiveness, it's been a plus.

Separately, you note that men are more obsessed with appealing to women than vice versa. I think this may be true, or at the very least, feminism misses the extent to which men try to appeal to the female gaze, even if the men often miss the mark. Women may not be attracted to a man for driving a fancy car (or maybe they are), but I suspect that men who buy fancy cars often do so to attract women (not my thing, I drive a Subaru Forrester, so I'm only attracting lesbians). But, particularly before I was married, I spent plenty of time trying to figure out how to dress or act or otherwise present myself to increase my chances of attracting women.

The problem for men, and perhaps why you see them obsess over it more than women, is it's less straightforward. There are some tried-and-true ways for women to appeal to the male gaze. They are also generally descrete acts - put on the right outfit and makeup, try to be thin and you're good, you can then go about your day basically acting however you want. For men, there's less of a clear path. It's the rare outfit that a man can wear that is going to turn heads, and while you probably don't want to look like Jabba the Hutt, being in shape only gets you so far. Instead, the way for men to attract women is mostly just being some ineffable form of "cool," which isn't something you can just go buy at a men's version of Saphora or Forever 21 and which you don't just put on before you go out.

I constantly hear feminist critiques about how hard the dating world is for women, only to think "men deal with that exact problem, or at least something entirely comparable." The truth is that dating is hard for both sexes. You just only see if from your side.

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