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Anecdotally, as someone who has been on the other side of that debate, I very quickly got fed up with the constant goal post shifting. Not having any luck on the apps? You aren't really trying, have to approach in person. You did that, but none of the women you know are single? You aren't really trying, meet new people. You tried that, but the places you might go to do that are all male-dominated? You aren't really trying, get new hobbies (but of course pretend meeting women isn't why you are doing that). After a while I realized that no amount of effort would actually get anyone to admit that I was in fact trying.

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I agreed with this piece until close to the end. I don't ask my Gen-Z college and graduate students about their dating habits but I end up learning stuff anyway. Someone mentions a boyfriend in a conversation about weekend plans, someone's girlfriend stops by the lab, etc. The numbers show less sex/dating than in previous generations but it's still happening enough that if you are 24 and have never dated anyone, that's still strange and (if you put in reasonable effort) may reflect you being unattractive.

I think incel self-identification arose in substantial part because of romantically unsuccessful men basically being told their experiences weren't happening. A lot of people, mostly but not always women, seem to think it is easy to find a girlfriend and that if you can't, it's because you aren't trying or don't practice basic hygiene or have a truly horrible personality or something. The unattractive wanted to shout to the world "we exist, our experiences happened." What else is a Reddit forum good for anyway? Point is, the unattractive still exist, even if not dating is becoming more of a default.

At any rate the word "incel" is useless for self-identification now. I like Ozy Brennan's suggestion that the category be split into "love shy" (can't find a partner) and "blackpilled" (thinks Chads are taking all the Staceys because the 19th Amendment or whatever).

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