My hot take on the Charlize is even if the genders were the other way around, there really isn’t an issue. They were both consenting adults who would have known what they were doing.
The double standard thing doesn’t make sense to me either because even if it was a 49 year old guy and a 26 year old woman, they still would have been consenting adults. I think people are just looking for an excuse to be outraged.
Yeah, like celebrity gossip almost always had needs as “guilty pleasure” but internet has made “guilty pleasure” into “why my anger is justified” post and I….. don’t think it’s healthy lol
I'm trying to figure out why the "reasonable person" even set the consent bar at 25. That person has been a legal adult for 7 years. If they stayed in school they'd have a Master's. It's a perfectly normal age to be a parent! Males are almost all the way through Selective Service eligibility!
Legally, you own 100% of your life decisions at age 18. Some of those are going to be dumb, bad, or weird (which could include dating someone twice your age) but they're legitimately your choice.
We've apparently recently decided that because brains aren't fully developed until 25 and I guess zoomers are desperately childish, 25 is the new 18. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if certain age-based laws started changing as a result of this (you do have to be 21 to buy tobacco now, anyway). I think it started with the trans kid puberty blocker discourse.
Definitely not helping the pro-natalist movement, that's for sure. Can't have 24-year-old babies having babies. And definitely can't give jobs to recent college grads because of child labor laws and such...
Granted it's outside my medical specialty, but I don't understand what brain development even has to do with it. Our brains remain plastic throughout our lifetime. Also, it seems good to get some adult experiences in while we're still at our most adaptable?
I dunno, I guess I'm a dinosaur but I couldn't wait to get out of the house at 18. College wasn't full-fledged, but I did gain valuable life experience even if some of it was bad.
You’re not a dinosaur. There is no Magic Adulthood Switch that flips in your brain once you are 18 (or 25). Adulthood is gained through experience, oftentimes very painful experience and blunders and “big boo boos” and “you f*cked up.” Through a variety of factors - helicopter parenting, and the Internet making a “permanent record” more of a reality, and a lot more people going to college (which is its own world) rather than the workforce upon high school graduation, to name three, a lot of legal adults (meaning: 18 and up) are woefully under equipped to actually BE legal adults.
Just look at some of the Wacky Intern Stories in Alison Green’s “Ask A Manager” column. You get a lot of very, very sheltered 20-somethings acting more like they’re 15 or 16. It’s not “but muh underdeveloped brain,” it’s “lack of life experience.”
And I’m with you, my god I could not *WAIT* to become and adult and be 18 and free as a bird. I always hated being a kid. Being a kid is a powerless and often humiliating experience and I don’t know why so many, well, kids these days, actually seem to enjoy that state.
Umm . .I can confidently say I would've been a pretty shit dad at 21. There is a pretty big maturity leap from 20 to 25. That doesn't mean I'd outlaw 20 year olds having sex with 50 year olds, but I wouldn't leap to say a 20 year old adult is equipped for anything the adult world brings; they're not.
They aren't equipped because they don't have life experience yet. Age alone doesn't make things easier. It's probably even harder to roll with the inevitable punches if you're already risk-averse and set in your ways.
Fewer 21yos are having kids these days because they know they're not ready, despite their state of neurologic development. Teen pregnancy rates are low. This isn't some magic biological switch; it's the sum of individual decisions young people have made.
And every first-time parent faces uncertainty, regardless of income and position. I think it makes sense to have some financial stability before having kids, but the window gets quite small if adult experiences can't begin until age 25.
I mean, I feel like it's really one of those things that depend. My mum had me at 21, my dad at 26, and they've both been pretty great parents. Their youth when I was young, probably made it easier to spend time with them because they were less exhausted. But I think it's definitely true that they weren't massively sheltered or anything, moving to another country around the age of 20, etc.
And you know that this “you’re not really an adult till you’re 25” (and next thing you know it will be raised to 30) will be used to suppress and curtail the rights of the most marginalized and vulnerable. “For their own good,” of course.
I asked ChatGPT if the fully-developed-brains-at-25 thing is true, and ChatGPT was quite confident it was...but the citations were thin. I'm wondering if this is an urban legend or otherwise over-interpreted factoid based on a much narrower finding that's taken on a life of its own.
It's just an observation about the prefrontal cortex. Adolescents sometimes do reckless things that defy even their own logic, but this also makes them more open to opportunities. It's literally the perfect time to be given freedom to fail because most mistakes won't kill you, you likely won't have dependents to worry about, and you have plenty of time to recover from mistakes.
I wish I had the same confidence in my abilities that I had when I was 20. But I also wished back then that I had the knowledge I have now and there is only one way to gain that - experience.
I don’t have sources to hand but fwiw my recollection is that it’s a factoid distantly based on a study that only evaluated people up to age 25. The brain continues to develop on a lifelong basis.
I had a childhood friend who was a lovable goofball and whose mom was the local librarian. I think by 25 he had already become a veteran of urban warfare in Iraq and had already used his GI benefits to found a successful small business by 28.
yes absolutely this. typical right-wing ragebait. CT is already in their crosshairs because she "let" her child be trans/GNC, or according to some, deliberately made the kid trans for wokeness points or coz she wanted a girl or something 🙄
When my son was in his 20s gong to school in the Bay Area, he noted that when people out there said what are you up to on Saturday, they meant the actual day while in NYC it meant the night.
It made my eye twitch, but I recognize poetry when I see it. Congrats to Milo for making me shoot dish soap into my cerebrospinal fluid to scrub any memory of that tweet from my brain.
Having just learned what Orc City is I don't think Hideo Kojima takes and the people who make them are on the CHH radar per say, even though I do wish she would talk about this because it is quite funny.
Calling job references is like fastening your seatbelt. The vast majority of the time it achieves nothing but every now and then it saves you from a disastrous outcome. It's totally worth it (and yes calling, not e-mailing).
Not sure what country you are in but in the US over the last several years, calling references often doesn't accomplish much because most companies will only confirm starting and end dates - they will not provide any substantive information. So you have no idea if you're getting "best employee ever" or "guy walked in the office and threatened to bomb us."
This shift came about in part due to some former employees suing employers for interference with contract by giving a bad reference.
I think even just knowing the start and end date and job titles (if they exist at all) will prevent the outright fraud.
That said, you can probably get other information through more informal conversations. Though I guess if it's a big industry or if the applicant is jumping industries, that can be hard.
This is interesting. I'm a scientist in Canada. So far even American sources (although we're talking academic labs and non-profits) have been willing to have phone conversations with me, but our culture might be different/awareness of the danger of getting sued hasn't caught up to us yet.
Perhaps I'm only saying this because of my own aversion to work bullshit, but who cares if your staffer is working multiple jobs if he's doing what you need and isn't working for a rival?
It seems like many supervisors don't really have a grip on whether or not their employees are being productive and don't seem to care (at least until something like this comes up). One of my colleagues was told, "I don't know exactly what you do, but you do a good job."
There's a lot of fields where productivity isn't that clear, even when it's obvious if an organisation is succeeding or failing. (And there are cases where even that isn't obvious.)
So he does tight 10-12 minute interviews for 10 hours a day, and in each spends time trying to convince people to buy $10+ drinks from a vending machine?
Hey, Alex Rodriguez, when he was 33, was dating Madonna, who was 50 at the time! And not that she would have looked in my direction if I was on fire, but Madonna at 50 was still smokin.
How TF is doing 50-60 interviews a day to get $300 “passive income”? Also, how do you do 50-60 interviews a day? Also, how expensive are those drinks? I know inflation is bad, but is that an alcoholic vending machine? The math in this story doesn’t add up
I have no sense of context on the vending machine guy, AKA is he making a joke, etc.
But if not - so many questions. Most importantly, half the interviewees are buying items in the $10 to $12 price range - what? Also, there are no maintenance and refilling costs for the vending machine? And what about the room? How much time and effort is he spending on finding candidates for his made-up job? Also, is it really passive income if you're spending your whole day producing it indirectly?
Kate wouldn’t stand for his bullshit. She’d be like “YOU AMERICANS AND YOUR HOLLYWOOD” and walk away to London where she can be beautiful and fancy in peace 😌
But what if they don't want to because every woman everywhere obviously has good taste and wouldn't fall for the chance to date Leo because they're obviously better than that?
I feel so bad for the young man who got to [checks notes] fuck Charlize Theron...?
And then it was so good, she bragged about it. Dude is a walking legend.
Hey now, I'm sure his knuckles are plenty sore from all his buddies' fist bumps.
My hot take on the Charlize is even if the genders were the other way around, there really isn’t an issue. They were both consenting adults who would have known what they were doing.
I feel like that's how 99% of people feel! I didn't even see one person getting upset about it other than the double standard thing.
The double standard thing doesn’t make sense to me either because even if it was a 49 year old guy and a 26 year old woman, they still would have been consenting adults. I think people are just looking for an excuse to be outraged.
Yeah, like celebrity gossip almost always had needs as “guilty pleasure” but internet has made “guilty pleasure” into “why my anger is justified” post and I….. don’t think it’s healthy lol
Just enjoy guilty pleasure as is!
I'm trying to figure out why the "reasonable person" even set the consent bar at 25. That person has been a legal adult for 7 years. If they stayed in school they'd have a Master's. It's a perfectly normal age to be a parent! Males are almost all the way through Selective Service eligibility!
Legally, you own 100% of your life decisions at age 18. Some of those are going to be dumb, bad, or weird (which could include dating someone twice your age) but they're legitimately your choice.
We've apparently recently decided that because brains aren't fully developed until 25 and I guess zoomers are desperately childish, 25 is the new 18. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if certain age-based laws started changing as a result of this (you do have to be 21 to buy tobacco now, anyway). I think it started with the trans kid puberty blocker discourse.
Definitely not helping the pro-natalist movement, that's for sure. Can't have 24-year-old babies having babies. And definitely can't give jobs to recent college grads because of child labor laws and such...
Granted it's outside my medical specialty, but I don't understand what brain development even has to do with it. Our brains remain plastic throughout our lifetime. Also, it seems good to get some adult experiences in while we're still at our most adaptable?
I dunno, I guess I'm a dinosaur but I couldn't wait to get out of the house at 18. College wasn't full-fledged, but I did gain valuable life experience even if some of it was bad.
You’re not a dinosaur. There is no Magic Adulthood Switch that flips in your brain once you are 18 (or 25). Adulthood is gained through experience, oftentimes very painful experience and blunders and “big boo boos” and “you f*cked up.” Through a variety of factors - helicopter parenting, and the Internet making a “permanent record” more of a reality, and a lot more people going to college (which is its own world) rather than the workforce upon high school graduation, to name three, a lot of legal adults (meaning: 18 and up) are woefully under equipped to actually BE legal adults.
Just look at some of the Wacky Intern Stories in Alison Green’s “Ask A Manager” column. You get a lot of very, very sheltered 20-somethings acting more like they’re 15 or 16. It’s not “but muh underdeveloped brain,” it’s “lack of life experience.”
And I’m with you, my god I could not *WAIT* to become and adult and be 18 and free as a bird. I always hated being a kid. Being a kid is a powerless and often humiliating experience and I don’t know why so many, well, kids these days, actually seem to enjoy that state.
Umm . .I can confidently say I would've been a pretty shit dad at 21. There is a pretty big maturity leap from 20 to 25. That doesn't mean I'd outlaw 20 year olds having sex with 50 year olds, but I wouldn't leap to say a 20 year old adult is equipped for anything the adult world brings; they're not.
They aren't equipped because they don't have life experience yet. Age alone doesn't make things easier. It's probably even harder to roll with the inevitable punches if you're already risk-averse and set in your ways.
Fewer 21yos are having kids these days because they know they're not ready, despite their state of neurologic development. Teen pregnancy rates are low. This isn't some magic biological switch; it's the sum of individual decisions young people have made.
And every first-time parent faces uncertainty, regardless of income and position. I think it makes sense to have some financial stability before having kids, but the window gets quite small if adult experiences can't begin until age 25.
I mean, I feel like it's really one of those things that depend. My mum had me at 21, my dad at 26, and they've both been pretty great parents. Their youth when I was young, probably made it easier to spend time with them because they were less exhausted. But I think it's definitely true that they weren't massively sheltered or anything, moving to another country around the age of 20, etc.
*You* would have been. That’s the key point, but you jumped to “a 20 year old”, as if you are all 20 year olds.
And you know that this “you’re not really an adult till you’re 25” (and next thing you know it will be raised to 30) will be used to suppress and curtail the rights of the most marginalized and vulnerable. “For their own good,” of course.
I asked ChatGPT if the fully-developed-brains-at-25 thing is true, and ChatGPT was quite confident it was...but the citations were thin. I'm wondering if this is an urban legend or otherwise over-interpreted factoid based on a much narrower finding that's taken on a life of its own.
It's just an observation about the prefrontal cortex. Adolescents sometimes do reckless things that defy even their own logic, but this also makes them more open to opportunities. It's literally the perfect time to be given freedom to fail because most mistakes won't kill you, you likely won't have dependents to worry about, and you have plenty of time to recover from mistakes.
I wish I had the same confidence in my abilities that I had when I was 20. But I also wished back then that I had the knowledge I have now and there is only one way to gain that - experience.
I don’t have sources to hand but fwiw my recollection is that it’s a factoid distantly based on a study that only evaluated people up to age 25. The brain continues to develop on a lifelong basis.
I had a childhood friend who was a lovable goofball and whose mom was the local librarian. I think by 25 he had already become a veteran of urban warfare in Iraq and had already used his GI benefits to found a successful small business by 28.
I think the only people upset are woman-hating men who don't like the hypocrisy of man-hating women.
Persona matters too, IMO. This wouldn't be a headline if Madonna said it, nor if Keith Richards did.
I think the clip being posted by outrage slop accounts for engagement was also a major factor in the clip going viral.
yes absolutely this. typical right-wing ragebait. CT is already in their crosshairs because she "let" her child be trans/GNC, or according to some, deliberately made the kid trans for wokeness points or coz she wanted a girl or something 🙄
It feels like some people are still reacting to discourse from the 80s, which is weird for Zoomers born in 2002.
I liked the NYC/SF memes.
When my son was in his 20s gong to school in the Bay Area, he noted that when people out there said what are you up to on Saturday, they meant the actual day while in NYC it meant the night.
"yielding only to the firmest of pressures" made me laugh and laugh
It made my eye twitch, but I recognize poetry when I see it. Congrats to Milo for making me shoot dish soap into my cerebrospinal fluid to scrub any memory of that tweet from my brain.
Orc City erasure
I'm hoping this is just her winding up for a solid 10,000-word essay on The Sexual Habits of Highly Successful Elvish Kings later this week.
Having just learned what Orc City is I don't think Hideo Kojima takes and the people who make them are on the CHH radar per say, even though I do wish she would talk about this because it is quite funny.
Calling job references is like fastening your seatbelt. The vast majority of the time it achieves nothing but every now and then it saves you from a disastrous outcome. It's totally worth it (and yes calling, not e-mailing).
Not sure what country you are in but in the US over the last several years, calling references often doesn't accomplish much because most companies will only confirm starting and end dates - they will not provide any substantive information. So you have no idea if you're getting "best employee ever" or "guy walked in the office and threatened to bomb us."
This shift came about in part due to some former employees suing employers for interference with contract by giving a bad reference.
I think even just knowing the start and end date and job titles (if they exist at all) will prevent the outright fraud.
That said, you can probably get other information through more informal conversations. Though I guess if it's a big industry or if the applicant is jumping industries, that can be hard.
This is interesting. I'm a scientist in Canada. So far even American sources (although we're talking academic labs and non-profits) have been willing to have phone conversations with me, but our culture might be different/awareness of the danger of getting sued hasn't caught up to us yet.
I suspect the relatively cloistered world of laboratory science may be a different beast than your standard private sector business.
Perhaps I'm only saying this because of my own aversion to work bullshit, but who cares if your staffer is working multiple jobs if he's doing what you need and isn't working for a rival?
It seems like many supervisors don't really have a grip on whether or not their employees are being productive and don't seem to care (at least until something like this comes up). One of my colleagues was told, "I don't know exactly what you do, but you do a good job."
There's a lot of fields where productivity isn't that clear, even when it's obvious if an organisation is succeeding or failing. (And there are cases where even that isn't obvious.)
I'm sure that true in some fields, but not in the ones I've worked in.
No mention of Orc City :(
Please, will “Do you want a submissive woman or just a woman who likes you?” every be free to read?
So he does tight 10-12 minute interviews for 10 hours a day, and in each spends time trying to convince people to buy $10+ drinks from a vending machine?
Hope this helps! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke
Do you think the JD in JD Vance stands for Jokein Datwitter?
Hey, Alex Rodriguez, when he was 33, was dating Madonna, who was 50 at the time! And not that she would have looked in my direction if I was on fire, but Madonna at 50 was still smokin.
How TF is doing 50-60 interviews a day to get $300 “passive income”? Also, how do you do 50-60 interviews a day? Also, how expensive are those drinks? I know inflation is bad, but is that an alcoholic vending machine? The math in this story doesn’t add up
The Charlize discourse took off because people don’t know how to process such a hot woman going for much younger men. It’s only ever seen in MILF porn
I have no sense of context on the vending machine guy, AKA is he making a joke, etc.
But if not - so many questions. Most importantly, half the interviewees are buying items in the $10 to $12 price range - what? Also, there are no maintenance and refilling costs for the vending machine? And what about the room? How much time and effort is he spending on finding candidates for his made-up job? Also, is it really passive income if you're spending your whole day producing it indirectly?
It’s gotta be a joke. Makes no sense otherwise.
You're probably right! Never expected to think this much about vending machine economics, haha
I just said “you go girl” when I saw the Theron video and sent it to my sister. Is that not what everyone else did?
Ohk the incels doing a reverse Leo Di Caprio. Did someone accuse her of being secretly lesbian like girls are accusing Leo of. 🐒
Leo is a secret lesbian?
People often say Leo is gay and only dating a >25 year old hides his gayness. Like he couldn’t fake-date Kate Winslet or someone her age instead.
Kate wouldn’t stand for his bullshit. She’d be like “YOU AMERICANS AND YOUR HOLLYWOOD” and walk away to London where she can be beautiful and fancy in peace 😌
No my point is if he’s fake dating these women he could fake date one older woman who would be a permanent fake date and have zero scrutiny.
But what if they don't want to because every woman everywhere obviously has good taste and wouldn't fall for the chance to date Leo because they're obviously better than that?
Have you found a boyfriend yet? How's that going?