The guys posting on Twitter about jew daycare and paying women to not procreate are NOT construction workers I assure you. They're either in their own useless office job, unemployed, or in high school.
"There's a guy who works a 12 hour shift standing on top of a pavement mill in 96 degree heat who sees this TikTok and gets enraged! Not me of course, but I'm sure that guy exists!"
There is something in the algo that does occasionally push this through (I think maybe because people share the link), normally the sort of rage-hit like this one so it stands out (he’s not seeing 100 clips similar, just fishing, motorsports, then this random woman drinking cucumber water at the office) and he might watch it a couple of times going wtf. But agree with the premise, the people who then post online about it are not usually construction workers, even if it’s a hot topic in the tea room.
I work at the same company as the woman in the video, though in a different part and not in Chicago. Her job could have some bullshit aspects — she rightfully makes it hard to tell what her actual work is — but if she wasn't contributing to the bottom line the company would have no problem laying her off.
Regarding the girl in the first video: I got more *suspicious* more than anything. It’s not that it’s not appealing per se, but rather that our experience often teaches us that any woman who unsolicitedly expresses attraction like that must have ulterior motives, because Women Don’t Do That. My first thought was “she’s quirky and seems really into the guy!” followed by “she must have some ulterior motive”. It’s more an issue of sincerity.
As for the girl with the corporate job in Chicago: it’s the resentment that her primary skill is social skills, and not anything they view as “tangible”. Neurodivergent people do not get those sorts of positions, typically, or don’t last long in them. They are jobs where you pretty much have to be an attractive extrovert, and those are already massively privileged in society. It’s not just blue-collar men who have those resentments - I’m sure a lot of guys in tech, engineering, etc. do too!
Meanwhile, male software engineers getting paid way more than this woman for what often also just amounts to a predisposition for the work... well, that's just the natural order of things.
Not arguing that software engineering isn't a real job - of course it is, and it has its challenges. But despite the best efforts of the past two decades, it is very much a position where your brain either works a certain unteachable way, or you won't last long. Rather like corporate social skill jobs, but only one of those gets called out
I think that’s because social skill jobs go to people who also seemingly breeze through life outside of work as well. I agree with your general point that we all tend to arbitrarily decide other winners of the genetic lottery are undeserving while our type of luck is a form of merit. But it is undeniably true that some forms of luck are more lucky than others.
Though all these other things about gender resentment are part of it too, I think you're right about the social skills thing.
American culture in particular overvalues extroversion--this one smacks a lot of studious East Asian guys in the face. After a generation or two they adapt of course.
Yes. They're not resenting the socially awkward/geeky girl who works a technical job except maybe that she gets treated less harshly for the same behaviors compared to her male counterparts. They're resenting *her*, the attractive extroverted popular girl, because she's the absolute epitome of privilege and then rubs it into everyone's faces. Her primary skill is a soft skill that's not tangible and basically came naturally to her, unlike for many who worked hard to develop a hard skill to get equivalent (or even less) pay. And then people like her (not her specifically) complain about having it so tough because they're women?
And yes, there's no way that this kind of video and this kind of resentment exists in equal proportion outside of America and America-like countries (Canada, Britain, Australia, etc.). This is entirely the result of the culture ridiculously overvaluing people like her and her male equivalent (typically in a corporate managerial role). And for those who were bullied for being studious, nerdy, etc. growing up to see that they won't get their justice and in fact those same types who bullied them will have more career success than them even in adult life, and then have the nerve to claim that *they're* the victims and have society believe them over the nerdy/studious guys? Of course that's gonna set them off.
I don't get this "rubbing it in everyone's faces" thing. Like... what exactly is she doing that's so wrong? I don't get this.
Also people often forget that extroverted ND people also exist.
Why are we assuming soft skills are things people don't have to work at, but "hard" skills are? Like... what do people want or expect this woman to be doing?
I showed this to my girlfriend, and she was annoyed by it, but obviously thought the reactions were way over the top. We both kind of agreed that a lot of it is that the video is obviously performative and fake. Like CHH said, it's an excuse to look cute for social media attention - a thirst trap. It's this exaggerated "look at me, I look so attractive while going to my job which doesn't (seem to) require much effort and love my life".
I’m sure the girl thinks she’s being funny by making her job look like nothing. Most social media girlies are always trying to do a bit so they look like the screwball comedy heroine they imagine in their mind. Think Claudette Colbert in “It happened one night”. She’s a thirst trap irl too but on the internet she wants to be comedic!
> I don't get this "rubbing it in everyone's faces" thing. Like... what exactly is she doing that's so wrong? I don't get this.
Whenever ppl want to hate on a celebrity in online gossip forums, they pick some objectively innocuous thing she's doing and then if anyone points out "but that's innocuous", they claim they don't hate the thing, they hate that she's "flaunting" the thing. This is perfect bc it's impossible to argue against.
Funny to see straight guys pull the same schtick as girls and catty gay guys, lol. Everyone converges on the same defense of their BEC syndrome!!
I showed this to my girlfriend, and she was annoyed by it, but obviously thought the reactions were way over the top. We both kind of agreed that a lot of it is that the video is obviously performative and fake. Like CHH said, it's an excuse to look cute for social media attention - a thirst trap. It's this exaggerated "look at me, I look so attractive while going to my job which doesn't (seem to) require much effort and love my life".
Introverted people are not treated anywhere as badly in the west as extroverted/gregarious people are treated in asia. Thats my personal experience of being an extrovert and being called a slut by like grown adults when I was 12.
Also you say "unlike for many who worked hard to develop a hard skill to get equivalent (or even less) pay" Is that really true?
Aren't engineers and analysts some of the highest paid people in every company? And isn't it true that nerds have a natural predilection towards those careers just like extroverts are naturally more suited to careers requiring soft skills?
The fuck? What country was this? This might be heavily country-dependent.
Also, managers typically get paid more than engineers and analysts, though it’s true that the latter do get good pay. Plus, ageism is a much more prevalent problem in technical roles as compared to managerial roles - typically if technical people don’t get themselves into managerial roles after a certain age, they’re in big trouble.
oh I was in India haha. I was talking to my male cousin and people said I was behaving sluttily cause I was laughing and talking loudly. Can't make it up if I tried. I tried living in Singapore and other East Asian countries too but it was too similar to be different enough. I am happy to be in the West now and have my gregariousness be the norm.
India is kind of a...special case in regards to how they treat women.
I think the issue might be that Anglo societies highly advantage you while disadvantaging people like myself, but that fact isn't as acknowledged as advantages based on race, gender, etc. A lot of the resentment stems from this - as I said previously, things get especially nasty if there are competing claims to marginalization - class pitted against gender, or neurotype pitted against gender.
There's a whole different set of complexes around nerd women--they usually complain they're not taken seriously. When they complain at all.
I agree, though being popular and extroverted usually does contain a whole lot of work which the nerd guys don't see (and couldn't do anyway, any more than most of the cool girls and bros could do calculus). You have to invest a lot of effort into fitness regimes, beauty regimes, watch what you eat, go to parties and talk to the right people...the catch is you have to look like you're not trying, which outsiders interpret as not trying.
East Asia's got its own problems with gender relations from what I can see. Though I do find it amusing W. Edwards Deming wound up improving Toyota's manufacturing after Ford ignored his statistical techniques. He received Japan's Order of the Sacred Treasure, Second Class.
I guess the main resentment towards nerd women to the extent that it exists is that they're treated better than their male equivalents, but they're not resented to the same extent as these "popular" types.
You're also right about what you said as well (and I'm speaking from the perspective of one of those nerd guys, in case you can't tell). It's harder to see as work because it doesn't result in a tangible product, but there is a lot of labor involved in maintaining appearances! That leads to another resentment - that appearances matter so much to others, when they themselves don't care about appearances very much.
As for east Asia, the gender relations problem there seems more equivalent to the ones seen in the West in the 60s - women being able to work, have careers, not being dependent on a man, etc. as opposed to these sorts comparatively more "first world problems" sorts of fights we have here. To be fair to them, they developed much faster and later than America and Europe did, and so more regressive attitudes are still more present at the equivalent level of economic development, because while economic development can be speedrun, social development can't be as much.
The tangible product their work results in is paying customers. These are usually sales and marketing people. Without them you have no customers paying money to buy the products you make, and without customers you have and no business. Being popular is indeed a TON of work. Lawyers are mostly nerds who enjoy reading, writing, debating, and logic. They're mostly introverts. As soon as they get into a firm, the relentless pressure to get out and network network network and bring in clients begins. It's the worst part of our jobs. Most of us absolutely hate doing sales. We don't want to have to spend $20k a year on attending the right sporting and social functions, wearing the right outfits, discussing the right topics. We don't want to go mingle and alumni events or join a country club or learn to golf. For most of us it's like pulling fingernails and we would way rather stay up for 20 hours straight writing and researching a brief than go mingle at a cocktail party to get our name out there and in circulation, to learn how to pretend to seem interested in someone you're not, or tell the right anecdote or make the right joke. It IS work. Lots of people have to do it for their job. And the lawyers who are the best at that part make far and away the most money, not the lawyers who are the best at being lawyers or have the best legal skills. All of life is like this.
Come on, I'm a nerd guy too, I thought that was obvious :) Yeah, the whole focus on appearance over reality is kind of a major cultural thing over here. I personally think it's bad, but my parents bought me Consumer Reports (I'm old) and I'm a nerd myself.
I think you're right. There's a particular problem here where the Asian guys come here and the studiousness their parents trained into them that was considered OK or desirable back home (China and Korea had standardized tests for 1000 years after all) is now 'nerdy'...plus their sisters get stolen by white guys, in many cases quite nerdy ones!
And why do they want to date them? They've internalized a lot of the tropes. Ignoring that and focusing on compatibility/match as opposed to surface-level appeal is how I got my girlfriend, who, of course, happens to be a fellow Asian immigrant, nerdy, and neurodivergent (but of a different ethnicity/nationality than me). I was fortunate that she was specifically looking for a nerdy neurodivergent guy with strong career prospects, but that's because *she* also was raised with different conditioning and ignored American conditioning in this regard as she didn't encounter it until she came here at the age of 23.
I want to push back on the idea that social skills are not tangible and come naturally. Social skills are very much a learned thing and improve with practice.
True, but an autistic person (regardless of gender), even with extensive social skills training, isn't going to be at the same level as your stereotypical Corporate Girlie(TM).
Sure, and someone who isn’t naturally gifted at math likely isn’t going to become a successful programmer in the same way that someone who is naturally gifted will be. I guess the point is that both people skills and mathematical skills involve a mix of aptitude and practice, and they both bring value to companies.
I commented on your Twitter that "Good' for Lauren isn't necessarily a "Good" fashion moment. Her boobs are covered, and of COURSE she is going for va va voomy, it's her look. But it's not "fashion". Thanks for the Sophia Inspo pic, but it just shows that front buttons can be done well, which I hadn't known.
Re: 'Jew daycare", wow, that came out of nowhere to me. Blaming the Jews for employing her or blaming the Jews for providing daycare, or both?
Sabrina doing Corporate cosplay. The worst part is the barrette, imo.
The basic idea is that any negative aspect of modern life associated with corporations, media, academia, or anything left-coded (corporations are now left-coded on the far right, amusingly enough), is the result of a Jewish plot to destroy the white race.
In this case the idea is that the Jews are doing daycare for the woman through a makework job to prevent her from being a mother and having white children.
TBH Jews were big in the civil rights movement and a lot of the more left-wing institutions like media and academia in modern society, not to mention obnoxious liberals like Michelle Goldberg bragging about 'why can't we replace them?' in the NYT.
This is just proof that rightist Americans have lost the entrepreneurial spirit and run on oppositional defiance disorder.
Pre-WW2 Japan's reaction to hearing the world was secretly run by Jews was to try to recruit the Jews to move to Japan. Obviously you'd want to be on the good side of people like that!
I had actually heard of the Fugu Plan... from what I was told this was part of the British Balfour Declaration and support for a Jewish Mandate as well. Though given the Rothschilds had helped get the money their defeat of Napoleon the Brits saw it as less malignant I suppose.
You know, the left taking the Ivy League let them convert most of the rich people, I think. So now the right has ODD, like you say. There's also a *long* history of antisemitic conspiracy theories on the right (the Nazis grew out of this), in large part because Jews, as the only real religious minority in the West, were usually allies of anticlerical and/or secularizing forces since the Enlightenment.
My thing with the Lauren Sanchez dress is that it looks like two different dresses joined at the bodice. A strapless mermaid dress is fine. A princess dress with a high neck, long lace sleeves and a full skirt is fine. The princess top with the mermaid bottom is too much.
Thank you for posting Sophia Loren's dress. I spent at least 5 minutes trying to figure out what was going on with the lace shoulder seams before I realized the bodice had straps. Sophia Loren's had less-noticeable seams and a strapless bodice!
And I agree with the commenter below that the mermaid skirt is why people are calling this "David's Bridal.
That’s it! It’s an awkward combination of two very different styles. Also, just from my POV, the “mermaid” dress has gone way down-market in the past 10 years or so. Not that it isn’t a pretty style (with a strapless or at least sleeveless bodice) but professional-class brides don’t seem to favor it. If Lauren had gone full princess with a big skirt, she would have looked great. And more high-status.
Yes. I really hate it. Way too much going on. Any of the elements could work alone, but together it's cacophonous and terrible looking. The big veil on top of everything going on with the dress makes it all the worse. If she had no veil it would've been easier to swallow but there is just way too much going on at once.
The "Rachel" thing is very weird to me - not the way she acts but the fact that people find this interesting at all. Assuming this is a non-staged dating reality show, I would expect to see over-the-top flirtation that I would not expect to see in the wild. Dollars to donuts she would not be like that around him if they had met outside of whatever this was. This is not real-people, real-world behavior. This should be obvious.
As a straight man, I tend to think your insight that men think they want to be aggressively flirted with by women, but really don't, makes sense. I've never been wrong when I've guessed that a woman who is flirting with a man in an aggressive, highly unsubtle, and overt manner is 1) conducting a scam, 2) like this with everybody, 3) deeply insecure (usually pairs with 2), 4) making fun of the guy, 5) trying to get something non-sexual and non-romantic from the interaction (clearly what "Rachel" is doing), or 6) drunk enough that someone should get one of her girlfriends to take her home safely. Men who say they want this tend to be young men on Reddit who don't seem to have picked up on this dynamic yet.
This is what I meant by "suspicious". It's not that the behavior isn't flattering, but rather that it's so outside of what men expect from women that there's a lot of suspicion that there's an ulterior motive.
Yeah I was gonna write this at the top level, but it's similar enough to your comment that I'll just reply:
I found her behavior in that video attractive (to CHH's point, because she is attractive) but very offputting.
But the reason it's offputting is that it's obviously an act. It might be fun and hot as role playing maybe, where both sides are in on the act. And that's what's going on with this video anyway (and honestly, all "reality" dating shows).
But I'd hate it if someone acted like this with me in real life, because it's just so *false*.
But that also isn't to say that I wouldn't enjoy a woman overtly flirting with me, it's just that this isn't what that actually looks like. A good comparison point (because I coincidentally was just watching season 1 of White Lotus) is the scene where Olivia (Sydney Sweeney's character) goes and flirts with her friend's love interest. He describes it later as "she came up all batting her eyes and with her tits forward", which is pretty accurate. That's also an act of overt feminine flirtation, but an infinitely more relatable one, and not offputting.
Yeah, that reminds me of the joke where the economist and his student find a $100 bill on the sidewalk an the economist walks right by it. The student asks why he didn't take it and the economist says something like: the efficient markets hypothesis says you can't just find $100 lying on the sidewalk, so it wasn't real.
Makes me feel bad for the woman he's married to. I guess I'm too literal but these married guys openly thirsting on their twitter profiles really icks me out. I don't care that it's for engagement $$$. I feel the same way about Hanania.
I have to give credit to Jeff that she’s 55 and he’s 61. He obviously could have married a 20 year old but didn’t.
As for the girl jobs - I think some of it is resentment that the women were just that little bit more conscientious that lets them succeed in college and in the work world.
I don't know man. If you're going to stab the person who helped you rise in the back and give tens of billions to someone who's now got the perfect reason to be an angry feminist, at least get some kids out of it.
I agree about the conscientiousness--that is higher in women, and it does help in college and office work. What's on display here is looks, extroversion, and agreeablness, though. But there's probably quite a bit of conscientiousness going into making the tiktok, though.
At 60 I'd bet he's really not that interested in having babies even if he's not going to be doing any of the real work. I find men especially, even if they love kids, are kinda relieved then the baby phase is over. I can't imagine there are many ready to jump back in at 60.
If Bezos *wanted* kids, he has the money to 1) have them via surrogate, and 2) get day nannies, night nannies, and all the nannies in between. Neither he nor Lauren Sanchez would have to do any actual childrearing, if that’s how they roll.
Robert DeNiro had another baby a year or so ago, and I recall thinking “yeah he’s 80 or thereabouts, but he has the money to hire help. 100% he and his wife or girlfriend have a night nanny doing all the getting up with the baby work.”
However, MOST 60 year olds don’t have the money to hire a lot of help, and if there aren’t maternal grandparents in the picture who are eager to pitch in, it’s them and wife or girlfriend doing all the work…and what 60 year old wants to be up nights with a screaming, excreting potato, or deal with a “threenager” when other men are retiring, or delay their own retirement because Trophy Sophie says little Liam will need the college fund and she doesn’t want to scale back HER lifestyle? Congrats, pal, you are working till you’re 75. And not because you lost your retirement savings in ‘08, which would at least garner sympathy.
I also think he does genuinely love her. If he was just looking to upgrade an old model I'm sure there are thousands of aspiring Kardashians who'd be happy to oblige.
The thing I find bizarre is that Sanchez used to be a genuinely gorgeous woman. She’s started turning herself into a live action RealDoll since she took up with the billionaire, so it’s hard to regard her transformation as anything other than her own choice. It’s like the Capitol in Hunger Games - she wants to look weird, and little people like us in the Districts aren’t enough to dissuade her.
Someone said that since Bezos grew up with his adoptive Cuban father, Lauren has a special appeal to him. Plus she can drive a helicopter. She is just COOL. Have you seen the leaked texts he sent her? That's LOVE LOVE.
I think the reason you don't hate Lauren Sanchez's dress the way many of us do is that it exhibits your main fault as a fashionista: you have trouble with the "too much" concept. This dress throws literally every wedding dress cliche together in one dress, but nothing is the focus of the outfit. The mermaid silhouette is trying to emphasize her body, but the lace and front buttons work against that by being throwbacks to old-school princess modesty. The front buttons also stop in a weird place, like they're specifically pointing to her knees. The way the lace in the decolletage is so much less sheer than the sleeves, it makes it looks messy, like they just stacked layers of the same lace there.
If you think of great wedding dresses, they generally frame the face with a certain vibe, but this dress has so many elements you basically forget about her face. It's simultaneously trying to give a delicate, romantic and bold, sexy vibe, and those elements are clashing.
Also, this may be mean to point out, but it is really obvious in this dress that her shoulders are bigger than her hips. I'm also shaped like that, and it's why I prefer necklines that divide up my shoulders, because generally people think of having bigger shoulders than hips as a masculine silhouette and I'm generally trying to look femme. This dress screams femme but it's giving her football player shoulders, which isn't an effect I think she was going for. The Sophia Loren dress it's based on has an exaggerated hip and full skirt, so it doesn't have this problem.
The “shoulders bigger than hips” look was THE look to aspire to back in the 80’s. Rewatching old music videos from that era makes it very clear. (Also, shoulder pads!) Now the ideal proportions have reversed, and it’s “in” to have wide hips. I’m just a tiny bit bitter about that because during my 20’s and 30’s the ideal body type was the reverse of mine. Oh well!
And yes, the Lauren Sanchez dress is trying to be all things to all styles, which means it can’t really succeed. Though I think that the biggest change, that would have made the dress decent if not spectacular, would be swapping out the mermaid skirt for a fuller one. That would both have made the bottom go better with the top and made the entire outfit more upscale looking.
Right, but the thing in the 80s is that the giant shoulders were supposed to make the wearer look petite and thin. Like Princess Diana's dress had the huge puffy sleeves, but it's obvious that she's not physically filling them out and they make her waist look tiny. You were supposed to wear a giant shoulder-pad blazer to draw a V to your tiny waist and narrow hips, not actually fill out the thing with actual giant shoulders.
After 19 years my wife and I renewed our vows because our original wedding was held at an ultra Reform synagogue (Temple Emanuel) in 1985 when the Reform movement was at its worst in forbidding any Jewish ritual, So no Chuppah, no breaking of the glass, etc.
Anyway, having our children there and a few close friends and family was great and fun. So I wouldn't eliminate a vow renewal as a possibility. I think it can be a lovely event.
“Hey baby I have an *elephant trainer license*” that is legitimately hilarious. What would happen if he unknowingly went on a date with a woman who volunteers for PETA?
Or rather, he's an average suburban Republican who's picked up the "tpot" affect where you talk about everything like a strange imitation of an academic mathematician. If you talk to any of these people for 30 seconds they start trying to sell you scientific racism, because it has numbers in it and they think anything they read with numbers in it is real.
The tweet from Madison is a great breakdown of why the dress is bad. Dolce and Gabbana usually make great romantic dresses. What happened here? They accepted client input?
People who know nothing about dresses or wedding dresses and have no opinions on them, please stop saying this dress isn't that bad and that people just don't like billionaires. If you are someone who does have opinions on dresses and understands the elements of them and various styles, it really IS that bad. There are thousands of different types of white formal dresses. Some of them are bad, and this is one. Go to any wedding dress shop website and scroll through and you will see some you love and some you hate and this is particularly hateable.
Also, critiquing the fashion of famous women who get put in the cover of fashion magazines is a time honored tradition. We watch the Oscars and Golden Globe preshows for exactly this purpose. To see whose dresses are amazing and whose suck. It's rare that they suck! And when they do it's usually bc they went out on a limb and it didn't work, just like here. This is no different that critiquing and ranking music or movies or any other type of art, and it's an awful dress (the huge veil especially, with a dress with that many cacophonous and non harmonized chaotic elements is especially bad).
Twitter guys are so weird how they get hung up on random women...remember the 90a Phish girl? What's funny here is that this chick is acting EXACTLY like every stripper in a strip club does. It's a very well known way to suck dollars out of men. Big huge smile, eye contact, aggressive flirting, be bouncy. Like this is not rocket science and I don't understand how there are any adult men or women that don't know that this is a well honed formula that goes back decades and is indeed quite effective and getting wallets to open. Watch any teenage comedy from the 80s if you need help in this one. Lol seriously who are these guys? I guess it's a good thing they don't leave their house or enter Chez Starlight....they would be absolutely toast and taking out second mortgages on their house convinced a stripper was in love with them.
The dress is fine! If you were invited to a wedding and the bride wore it you'd love it. People think she looks cheap because a) they're hating* and b) she's had too so much expensive plastic surgery it looks cheap again.
*hating her is good and probably morally necessary
I cannot unsee her overdone face even when it’s not the focus of the picture. I’m not a plastic surgery hater at all, but whoa Lauren’s obvious “work done” is obvious.
If you've had a lot done and are around people who've had a lot done you get kinda desensitized to it. Same with fake lashes. You gotta get out and spend time with the poors to remember what a normal face looks like.
I think it's a look! Not to my taste but the 'bimbo' thing is very much an aesthetic people do on purpose and I think she executes it well honestly. As Dolly said, "It costs a lot of money to look this cheap."
now do I like these people personally or what they represent? no.
For me (straight male), "rizz" in women is enthusiasm, playfulness, and cheerfulness. Obviously, no one is like that all the time, but if you have it as a baseline or can at least turn it on for a date, I'm there.
Physical attractiveness matters too, but as I've seen other guys mention, that's more of a threshold thing. Clear the threshold and anything more is a mild bonus as far as dating goes. (If we're just talking sex, the bonus is obviously a lot more significant.) I've known women who were not remotely my physical type but still drew me in with their energy.
Flirtation is not exactly "rizz" but is closely related, since many of the ways women flirt involve smiling and acting playful. But a woman getting excited and enthusiastic about the dinner she's eating at a restaurant is still... rizzing? New word can verb? Anyway. The point is that I and (I think) most men like women who can and do project positive emotions. And I would guess the same is true going the other way.
It's also not as true as commonly believed, especially if you're going for compatibility and match and not quantity as is the case of most dating advice (hence why I've said before that most dating advice is bad because it's reaching for the wrong goal).
I think you’re privileged in that you found someone truly compatible with you (congrats btw I’ve always rooted for you)
If you’re truly willing to settle and believe that you’re not really going to be attractive to even one person being yourself, the advice is pretty good.
For some people, casting a very wide net is the best option.
Then the problem is your belief that you won’t be attractive to even 1 person being yourself. *That* is what I had to realize was false, and it took spending time being out in the dating market to realize it was false. And it’s likely false for most people who believe it, *provided that they have the basics in order* (career, emotional development, interests/hobbies, etc.). What I realized was that in fact, I had my shit together *better* than most people my age especially given the adversity I faced…but was unusual enough in terms of my interests/hobbies/neurotype that I wasn’t a good match for most. But once I matched with a fellow ND who also had their shit together (and likely a little better than me)? It actually wasn’t hard convincing her to start a relationship with me. But she’s one in a thousand, if that.
The guys posting on Twitter about jew daycare and paying women to not procreate are NOT construction workers I assure you. They're either in their own useless office job, unemployed, or in high school.
"There's a guy who works a 12 hour shift standing on top of a pavement mill in 96 degree heat who sees this TikTok and gets enraged! Not me of course, but I'm sure that guy exists!"
Yes! I cover that in my DOGE article
Lmao... I love trying to imagine how this construction worker's TikTok algorithm ends up serving "cute Chicago office girl outfit"-Tok.
Like I don't want to stereotype but... this guy's TikTok is probably bass fishing, motocross fails, and hilariously dumb truck mods.
There is something in the algo that does occasionally push this through (I think maybe because people share the link), normally the sort of rage-hit like this one so it stands out (he’s not seeing 100 clips similar, just fishing, motorsports, then this random woman drinking cucumber water at the office) and he might watch it a couple of times going wtf. But agree with the premise, the people who then post online about it are not usually construction workers, even if it’s a hot topic in the tea room.
If they're in high school, they're probably posting from inside the locker they were stuffed into or the bathroom stall they were swirlied in.
That guy is also making like 45 dollars an hour
If I'm remembering correctly, the hoe_math guy's job is a youtube channel where he makes dating advice diagrams on graph paper
Or in India
I work at the same company as the woman in the video, though in a different part and not in Chicago. Her job could have some bullshit aspects — she rightfully makes it hard to tell what her actual work is — but if she wasn't contributing to the bottom line the company would have no problem laying her off.
Regarding the girl in the first video: I got more *suspicious* more than anything. It’s not that it’s not appealing per se, but rather that our experience often teaches us that any woman who unsolicitedly expresses attraction like that must have ulterior motives, because Women Don’t Do That. My first thought was “she’s quirky and seems really into the guy!” followed by “she must have some ulterior motive”. It’s more an issue of sincerity.
As for the girl with the corporate job in Chicago: it’s the resentment that her primary skill is social skills, and not anything they view as “tangible”. Neurodivergent people do not get those sorts of positions, typically, or don’t last long in them. They are jobs where you pretty much have to be an attractive extrovert, and those are already massively privileged in society. It’s not just blue-collar men who have those resentments - I’m sure a lot of guys in tech, engineering, etc. do too!
Meanwhile, male software engineers getting paid way more than this woman for what often also just amounts to a predisposition for the work... well, that's just the natural order of things.
Software engineering is often difficult and frustrating, but nobody talks about that part because it would bore anyone else out of the room.
Not arguing that software engineering isn't a real job - of course it is, and it has its challenges. But despite the best efforts of the past two decades, it is very much a position where your brain either works a certain unteachable way, or you won't last long. Rather like corporate social skill jobs, but only one of those gets called out
I think that’s because social skill jobs go to people who also seemingly breeze through life outside of work as well. I agree with your general point that we all tend to arbitrarily decide other winners of the genetic lottery are undeserving while our type of luck is a form of merit. But it is undeniably true that some forms of luck are more lucky than others.
Though all these other things about gender resentment are part of it too, I think you're right about the social skills thing.
American culture in particular overvalues extroversion--this one smacks a lot of studious East Asian guys in the face. After a generation or two they adapt of course.
Yes. They're not resenting the socially awkward/geeky girl who works a technical job except maybe that she gets treated less harshly for the same behaviors compared to her male counterparts. They're resenting *her*, the attractive extroverted popular girl, because she's the absolute epitome of privilege and then rubs it into everyone's faces. Her primary skill is a soft skill that's not tangible and basically came naturally to her, unlike for many who worked hard to develop a hard skill to get equivalent (or even less) pay. And then people like her (not her specifically) complain about having it so tough because they're women?
And yes, there's no way that this kind of video and this kind of resentment exists in equal proportion outside of America and America-like countries (Canada, Britain, Australia, etc.). This is entirely the result of the culture ridiculously overvaluing people like her and her male equivalent (typically in a corporate managerial role). And for those who were bullied for being studious, nerdy, etc. growing up to see that they won't get their justice and in fact those same types who bullied them will have more career success than them even in adult life, and then have the nerve to claim that *they're* the victims and have society believe them over the nerdy/studious guys? Of course that's gonna set them off.
I don't get this "rubbing it in everyone's faces" thing. Like... what exactly is she doing that's so wrong? I don't get this.
Also people often forget that extroverted ND people also exist.
Why are we assuming soft skills are things people don't have to work at, but "hard" skills are? Like... what do people want or expect this woman to be doing?
Same. She is literally just existing. How is she being offensive or bad?
I showed this to my girlfriend, and she was annoyed by it, but obviously thought the reactions were way over the top. We both kind of agreed that a lot of it is that the video is obviously performative and fake. Like CHH said, it's an excuse to look cute for social media attention - a thirst trap. It's this exaggerated "look at me, I look so attractive while going to my job which doesn't (seem to) require much effort and love my life".
I’m sure the girl thinks she’s being funny by making her job look like nothing. Most social media girlies are always trying to do a bit so they look like the screwball comedy heroine they imagine in their mind. Think Claudette Colbert in “It happened one night”. She’s a thirst trap irl too but on the internet she wants to be comedic!
> I don't get this "rubbing it in everyone's faces" thing. Like... what exactly is she doing that's so wrong? I don't get this.
Whenever ppl want to hate on a celebrity in online gossip forums, they pick some objectively innocuous thing she's doing and then if anyone points out "but that's innocuous", they claim they don't hate the thing, they hate that she's "flaunting" the thing. This is perfect bc it's impossible to argue against.
Funny to see straight guys pull the same schtick as girls and catty gay guys, lol. Everyone converges on the same defense of their BEC syndrome!!
Can you give an example. I’m finding it difficult to understand the celebrity thing
Ooh I got one. When Meghan Markle was pregnant people were irate that she was flaunting it by touching her belly a lot
I showed this to my girlfriend, and she was annoyed by it, but obviously thought the reactions were way over the top. We both kind of agreed that a lot of it is that the video is obviously performative and fake. Like CHH said, it's an excuse to look cute for social media attention - a thirst trap. It's this exaggerated "look at me, I look so attractive while going to my job which doesn't (seem to) require much effort and love my life".
Introverted people are not treated anywhere as badly in the west as extroverted/gregarious people are treated in asia. Thats my personal experience of being an extrovert and being called a slut by like grown adults when I was 12.
Also you say "unlike for many who worked hard to develop a hard skill to get equivalent (or even less) pay" Is that really true?
Aren't engineers and analysts some of the highest paid people in every company? And isn't it true that nerds have a natural predilection towards those careers just like extroverts are naturally more suited to careers requiring soft skills?
The fuck? What country was this? This might be heavily country-dependent.
Also, managers typically get paid more than engineers and analysts, though it’s true that the latter do get good pay. Plus, ageism is a much more prevalent problem in technical roles as compared to managerial roles - typically if technical people don’t get themselves into managerial roles after a certain age, they’re in big trouble.
oh I was in India haha. I was talking to my male cousin and people said I was behaving sluttily cause I was laughing and talking loudly. Can't make it up if I tried. I tried living in Singapore and other East Asian countries too but it was too similar to be different enough. I am happy to be in the West now and have my gregariousness be the norm.
India is kind of a...special case in regards to how they treat women.
I think the issue might be that Anglo societies highly advantage you while disadvantaging people like myself, but that fact isn't as acknowledged as advantages based on race, gender, etc. A lot of the resentment stems from this - as I said previously, things get especially nasty if there are competing claims to marginalization - class pitted against gender, or neurotype pitted against gender.
There's a whole different set of complexes around nerd women--they usually complain they're not taken seriously. When they complain at all.
I agree, though being popular and extroverted usually does contain a whole lot of work which the nerd guys don't see (and couldn't do anyway, any more than most of the cool girls and bros could do calculus). You have to invest a lot of effort into fitness regimes, beauty regimes, watch what you eat, go to parties and talk to the right people...the catch is you have to look like you're not trying, which outsiders interpret as not trying.
East Asia's got its own problems with gender relations from what I can see. Though I do find it amusing W. Edwards Deming wound up improving Toyota's manufacturing after Ford ignored his statistical techniques. He received Japan's Order of the Sacred Treasure, Second Class.
I guess the main resentment towards nerd women to the extent that it exists is that they're treated better than their male equivalents, but they're not resented to the same extent as these "popular" types.
You're also right about what you said as well (and I'm speaking from the perspective of one of those nerd guys, in case you can't tell). It's harder to see as work because it doesn't result in a tangible product, but there is a lot of labor involved in maintaining appearances! That leads to another resentment - that appearances matter so much to others, when they themselves don't care about appearances very much.
As for east Asia, the gender relations problem there seems more equivalent to the ones seen in the West in the 60s - women being able to work, have careers, not being dependent on a man, etc. as opposed to these sorts comparatively more "first world problems" sorts of fights we have here. To be fair to them, they developed much faster and later than America and Europe did, and so more regressive attitudes are still more present at the equivalent level of economic development, because while economic development can be speedrun, social development can't be as much.
The tangible product their work results in is paying customers. These are usually sales and marketing people. Without them you have no customers paying money to buy the products you make, and without customers you have and no business. Being popular is indeed a TON of work. Lawyers are mostly nerds who enjoy reading, writing, debating, and logic. They're mostly introverts. As soon as they get into a firm, the relentless pressure to get out and network network network and bring in clients begins. It's the worst part of our jobs. Most of us absolutely hate doing sales. We don't want to have to spend $20k a year on attending the right sporting and social functions, wearing the right outfits, discussing the right topics. We don't want to go mingle and alumni events or join a country club or learn to golf. For most of us it's like pulling fingernails and we would way rather stay up for 20 hours straight writing and researching a brief than go mingle at a cocktail party to get our name out there and in circulation, to learn how to pretend to seem interested in someone you're not, or tell the right anecdote or make the right joke. It IS work. Lots of people have to do it for their job. And the lawyers who are the best at that part make far and away the most money, not the lawyers who are the best at being lawyers or have the best legal skills. All of life is like this.
This is such an interesting insight. Thank you for making it clear with real-life concretes as to how much this work matters.
Is law for sales good? Do good bisdev? Make good drink talk for billing credits??
No, you're right, they all want to date them.
Come on, I'm a nerd guy too, I thought that was obvious :) Yeah, the whole focus on appearance over reality is kind of a major cultural thing over here. I personally think it's bad, but my parents bought me Consumer Reports (I'm old) and I'm a nerd myself.
I think you're right. There's a particular problem here where the Asian guys come here and the studiousness their parents trained into them that was considered OK or desirable back home (China and Korea had standardized tests for 1000 years after all) is now 'nerdy'...plus their sisters get stolen by white guys, in many cases quite nerdy ones!
And why do they want to date them? They've internalized a lot of the tropes. Ignoring that and focusing on compatibility/match as opposed to surface-level appeal is how I got my girlfriend, who, of course, happens to be a fellow Asian immigrant, nerdy, and neurodivergent (but of a different ethnicity/nationality than me). I was fortunate that she was specifically looking for a nerdy neurodivergent guy with strong career prospects, but that's because *she* also was raised with different conditioning and ignored American conditioning in this regard as she didn't encounter it until she came here at the age of 23.
I want to push back on the idea that social skills are not tangible and come naturally. Social skills are very much a learned thing and improve with practice.
True, but an autistic person (regardless of gender), even with extensive social skills training, isn't going to be at the same level as your stereotypical Corporate Girlie(TM).
Sure, and someone who isn’t naturally gifted at math likely isn’t going to become a successful programmer in the same way that someone who is naturally gifted will be. I guess the point is that both people skills and mathematical skills involve a mix of aptitude and practice, and they both bring value to companies.
I commented on your Twitter that "Good' for Lauren isn't necessarily a "Good" fashion moment. Her boobs are covered, and of COURSE she is going for va va voomy, it's her look. But it's not "fashion". Thanks for the Sophia Inspo pic, but it just shows that front buttons can be done well, which I hadn't known.
Re: 'Jew daycare", wow, that came out of nowhere to me. Blaming the Jews for employing her or blaming the Jews for providing daycare, or both?
Sabrina doing Corporate cosplay. The worst part is the barrette, imo.
You don't spend enough time on the far right.
The basic idea is that any negative aspect of modern life associated with corporations, media, academia, or anything left-coded (corporations are now left-coded on the far right, amusingly enough), is the result of a Jewish plot to destroy the white race.
In this case the idea is that the Jews are doing daycare for the woman through a makework job to prevent her from being a mother and having white children.
TBH Jews were big in the civil rights movement and a lot of the more left-wing institutions like media and academia in modern society, not to mention obnoxious liberals like Michelle Goldberg bragging about 'why can't we replace them?' in the NYT.
This is just proof that rightist Americans have lost the entrepreneurial spirit and run on oppositional defiance disorder.
Pre-WW2 Japan's reaction to hearing the world was secretly run by Jews was to try to recruit the Jews to move to Japan. Obviously you'd want to be on the good side of people like that!
I had actually heard of the Fugu Plan... from what I was told this was part of the British Balfour Declaration and support for a Jewish Mandate as well. Though given the Rothschilds had helped get the money their defeat of Napoleon the Brits saw it as less malignant I suppose.
You know, the left taking the Ivy League let them convert most of the rich people, I think. So now the right has ODD, like you say. There's also a *long* history of antisemitic conspiracy theories on the right (the Nazis grew out of this), in large part because Jews, as the only real religious minority in the West, were usually allies of anticlerical and/or secularizing forces since the Enlightenment.
My thing with the Lauren Sanchez dress is that it looks like two different dresses joined at the bodice. A strapless mermaid dress is fine. A princess dress with a high neck, long lace sleeves and a full skirt is fine. The princess top with the mermaid bottom is too much.
I agree actually. I still wouldn’t say it’s hideous though!
Thank you for posting Sophia Loren's dress. I spent at least 5 minutes trying to figure out what was going on with the lace shoulder seams before I realized the bodice had straps. Sophia Loren's had less-noticeable seams and a strapless bodice!
And I agree with the commenter below that the mermaid skirt is why people are calling this "David's Bridal.
That’s it! It’s an awkward combination of two very different styles. Also, just from my POV, the “mermaid” dress has gone way down-market in the past 10 years or so. Not that it isn’t a pretty style (with a strapless or at least sleeveless bodice) but professional-class brides don’t seem to favor it. If Lauren had gone full princess with a big skirt, she would have looked great. And more high-status.
Yes. I really hate it. Way too much going on. Any of the elements could work alone, but together it's cacophonous and terrible looking. The big veil on top of everything going on with the dress makes it all the worse. If she had no veil it would've been easier to swallow but there is just way too much going on at once.
The "Rachel" thing is very weird to me - not the way she acts but the fact that people find this interesting at all. Assuming this is a non-staged dating reality show, I would expect to see over-the-top flirtation that I would not expect to see in the wild. Dollars to donuts she would not be like that around him if they had met outside of whatever this was. This is not real-people, real-world behavior. This should be obvious.
As a straight man, I tend to think your insight that men think they want to be aggressively flirted with by women, but really don't, makes sense. I've never been wrong when I've guessed that a woman who is flirting with a man in an aggressive, highly unsubtle, and overt manner is 1) conducting a scam, 2) like this with everybody, 3) deeply insecure (usually pairs with 2), 4) making fun of the guy, 5) trying to get something non-sexual and non-romantic from the interaction (clearly what "Rachel" is doing), or 6) drunk enough that someone should get one of her girlfriends to take her home safely. Men who say they want this tend to be young men on Reddit who don't seem to have picked up on this dynamic yet.
This is what I meant by "suspicious". It's not that the behavior isn't flattering, but rather that it's so outside of what men expect from women that there's a lot of suspicion that there's an ulterior motive.
Sometimes it's not even an ulterior motive. It's just immaturity and insecurity.
Usually combined with liquor.
Yeah I was gonna write this at the top level, but it's similar enough to your comment that I'll just reply:
I found her behavior in that video attractive (to CHH's point, because she is attractive) but very offputting.
But the reason it's offputting is that it's obviously an act. It might be fun and hot as role playing maybe, where both sides are in on the act. And that's what's going on with this video anyway (and honestly, all "reality" dating shows).
But I'd hate it if someone acted like this with me in real life, because it's just so *false*.
But that also isn't to say that I wouldn't enjoy a woman overtly flirting with me, it's just that this isn't what that actually looks like. A good comparison point (because I coincidentally was just watching season 1 of White Lotus) is the scene where Olivia (Sydney Sweeney's character) goes and flirts with her friend's love interest. He describes it later as "she came up all batting her eyes and with her tits forward", which is pretty accurate. That's also an act of overt feminine flirtation, but an infinitely more relatable one, and not offputting.
Yeah, people can flirt in natural, authentic ways and this (intentionally) isn't that - and everyone in the video is in on it..
Yeah it's only the people on the internet who are being weird.
Yeah, that reminds me of the joke where the economist and his student find a $100 bill on the sidewalk an the economist walks right by it. The student asks why he didn't take it and the economist says something like: the efficient markets hypothesis says you can't just find $100 lying on the sidewalk, so it wasn't real.
all right, but eigen is comfortably married to a terrific woman with two kids and another pending, not a reddit incel
Makes me feel bad for the woman he's married to. I guess I'm too literal but these married guys openly thirsting on their twitter profiles really icks me out. I don't care that it's for engagement $$$. I feel the same way about Hanania.
Not as bad as Hanania bc eigenrobot also spends a lot of time wifeguying
So? That doesn't mean he's right about this.
that’s kind of my point. what’s his excuse?
I agree, but the existence of successful honeypot operations would seem to fly in the face of this argument.
I have to give credit to Jeff that she’s 55 and he’s 61. He obviously could have married a 20 year old but didn’t.
As for the girl jobs - I think some of it is resentment that the women were just that little bit more conscientious that lets them succeed in college and in the work world.
I don't know man. If you're going to stab the person who helped you rise in the back and give tens of billions to someone who's now got the perfect reason to be an angry feminist, at least get some kids out of it.
I agree about the conscientiousness--that is higher in women, and it does help in college and office work. What's on display here is looks, extroversion, and agreeablness, though. But there's probably quite a bit of conscientiousness going into making the tiktok, though.
At 60 I'd bet he's really not that interested in having babies even if he's not going to be doing any of the real work. I find men especially, even if they love kids, are kinda relieved then the baby phase is over. I can't imagine there are many ready to jump back in at 60.
If Bezos *wanted* kids, he has the money to 1) have them via surrogate, and 2) get day nannies, night nannies, and all the nannies in between. Neither he nor Lauren Sanchez would have to do any actual childrearing, if that’s how they roll.
Robert DeNiro had another baby a year or so ago, and I recall thinking “yeah he’s 80 or thereabouts, but he has the money to hire help. 100% he and his wife or girlfriend have a night nanny doing all the getting up with the baby work.”
However, MOST 60 year olds don’t have the money to hire a lot of help, and if there aren’t maternal grandparents in the picture who are eager to pitch in, it’s them and wife or girlfriend doing all the work…and what 60 year old wants to be up nights with a screaming, excreting potato, or deal with a “threenager” when other men are retiring, or delay their own retirement because Trophy Sophie says little Liam will need the college fund and she doesn’t want to scale back HER lifestyle? Congrats, pal, you are working till you’re 75. And not because you lost your retirement savings in ‘08, which would at least garner sympathy.
You may have the answer there, I think. He's just old and looking to enjoy the end of his years.
I also think he does genuinely love her. If he was just looking to upgrade an old model I'm sure there are thousands of aspiring Kardashians who'd be happy to oblige.
The thing I find bizarre is that Sanchez used to be a genuinely gorgeous woman. She’s started turning herself into a live action RealDoll since she took up with the billionaire, so it’s hard to regard her transformation as anything other than her own choice. It’s like the Capitol in Hunger Games - she wants to look weird, and little people like us in the Districts aren’t enough to dissuade her.
Find you someone who is as weird with you as Lauren is with Jeff ❤️
Someone said that since Bezos grew up with his adoptive Cuban father, Lauren has a special appeal to him. Plus she can drive a helicopter. She is just COOL. Have you seen the leaked texts he sent her? That's LOVE LOVE.
Well, if he's happy, he's happy. If not, with his billions he'll find someone else easily enough, and she'll get a nice settlement out of it.
I would rather not be talking about people get divorced on their wedding day!
I think the reason you don't hate Lauren Sanchez's dress the way many of us do is that it exhibits your main fault as a fashionista: you have trouble with the "too much" concept. This dress throws literally every wedding dress cliche together in one dress, but nothing is the focus of the outfit. The mermaid silhouette is trying to emphasize her body, but the lace and front buttons work against that by being throwbacks to old-school princess modesty. The front buttons also stop in a weird place, like they're specifically pointing to her knees. The way the lace in the decolletage is so much less sheer than the sleeves, it makes it looks messy, like they just stacked layers of the same lace there.
If you think of great wedding dresses, they generally frame the face with a certain vibe, but this dress has so many elements you basically forget about her face. It's simultaneously trying to give a delicate, romantic and bold, sexy vibe, and those elements are clashing.
Also, this may be mean to point out, but it is really obvious in this dress that her shoulders are bigger than her hips. I'm also shaped like that, and it's why I prefer necklines that divide up my shoulders, because generally people think of having bigger shoulders than hips as a masculine silhouette and I'm generally trying to look femme. This dress screams femme but it's giving her football player shoulders, which isn't an effect I think she was going for. The Sophia Loren dress it's based on has an exaggerated hip and full skirt, so it doesn't have this problem.
The “shoulders bigger than hips” look was THE look to aspire to back in the 80’s. Rewatching old music videos from that era makes it very clear. (Also, shoulder pads!) Now the ideal proportions have reversed, and it’s “in” to have wide hips. I’m just a tiny bit bitter about that because during my 20’s and 30’s the ideal body type was the reverse of mine. Oh well!
And yes, the Lauren Sanchez dress is trying to be all things to all styles, which means it can’t really succeed. Though I think that the biggest change, that would have made the dress decent if not spectacular, would be swapping out the mermaid skirt for a fuller one. That would both have made the bottom go better with the top and made the entire outfit more upscale looking.
Right, but the thing in the 80s is that the giant shoulders were supposed to make the wearer look petite and thin. Like Princess Diana's dress had the huge puffy sleeves, but it's obvious that she's not physically filling them out and they make her waist look tiny. You were supposed to wear a giant shoulder-pad blazer to draw a V to your tiny waist and narrow hips, not actually fill out the thing with actual giant shoulders.
As always enjoyable.
After 19 years my wife and I renewed our vows because our original wedding was held at an ultra Reform synagogue (Temple Emanuel) in 1985 when the Reform movement was at its worst in forbidding any Jewish ritual, So no Chuppah, no breaking of the glass, etc.
Anyway, having our children there and a few close friends and family was great and fun. So I wouldn't eliminate a vow renewal as a possibility. I think it can be a lovely event.
What is really funny about this “dating 34 women conman chad” is he allegedly has a wig!
Even his hair is fake lol
(He also mentions his “elephant trainer license” to every woman lol)
LMAO
“Hey baby I have an *elephant trainer license*” that is legitimately hilarious. What would happen if he unknowingly went on a date with a woman who volunteers for PETA?
Yeah right?!
And he apparently mentions bunch of different licenses and jokingly add “oh btw I have an elephant trainer license” at the end lol
And he uses his charming Osaka accent to his advantage too lmao
re: rizz for women - this is the full video https://youtu.be/ksYmKw7BntQ?si=-kKkkvuzmb6Hko-q
“ bbno$ blind dates 7 girl musicians (mostly) to find love!” so, as you say, completely fake.
also, her whole bit reeks of an insufferable theater kid and every twitter dude excited about it serves as proof they never actually talk to women
Yeah it was the theatre kid vibes that made me melt down. Nothing about "homosocial competition" or whatever eigenrobot was blathering on about.
He's just a really weird guy you should ignore.
Or rather, he's an average suburban Republican who's picked up the "tpot" affect where you talk about everything like a strange imitation of an academic mathematician. If you talk to any of these people for 30 seconds they start trying to sell you scientific racism, because it has numbers in it and they think anything they read with numbers in it is real.
Yeah this is why I stay off twitter and just read CHH's summary of these weirdos weekly.
The tweet from Madison is a great breakdown of why the dress is bad. Dolce and Gabbana usually make great romantic dresses. What happened here? They accepted client input?
It's definitely the most helpful breakdown I saw! I still don't think it's horrendous but it may be too busy.
People who know nothing about dresses or wedding dresses and have no opinions on them, please stop saying this dress isn't that bad and that people just don't like billionaires. If you are someone who does have opinions on dresses and understands the elements of them and various styles, it really IS that bad. There are thousands of different types of white formal dresses. Some of them are bad, and this is one. Go to any wedding dress shop website and scroll through and you will see some you love and some you hate and this is particularly hateable.
Also, critiquing the fashion of famous women who get put in the cover of fashion magazines is a time honored tradition. We watch the Oscars and Golden Globe preshows for exactly this purpose. To see whose dresses are amazing and whose suck. It's rare that they suck! And when they do it's usually bc they went out on a limb and it didn't work, just like here. This is no different that critiquing and ranking music or movies or any other type of art, and it's an awful dress (the huge veil especially, with a dress with that many cacophonous and non harmonized chaotic elements is especially bad).
Twitter guys are so weird how they get hung up on random women...remember the 90a Phish girl? What's funny here is that this chick is acting EXACTLY like every stripper in a strip club does. It's a very well known way to suck dollars out of men. Big huge smile, eye contact, aggressive flirting, be bouncy. Like this is not rocket science and I don't understand how there are any adult men or women that don't know that this is a well honed formula that goes back decades and is indeed quite effective and getting wallets to open. Watch any teenage comedy from the 80s if you need help in this one. Lol seriously who are these guys? I guess it's a good thing they don't leave their house or enter Chez Starlight....they would be absolutely toast and taking out second mortgages on their house convinced a stripper was in love with them.
The dress is fine! If you were invited to a wedding and the bride wore it you'd love it. People think she looks cheap because a) they're hating* and b) she's had too so much expensive plastic surgery it looks cheap again.
*hating her is good and probably morally necessary
I cannot unsee her overdone face even when it’s not the focus of the picture. I’m not a plastic surgery hater at all, but whoa Lauren’s obvious “work done” is obvious.
If you've had a lot done and are around people who've had a lot done you get kinda desensitized to it. Same with fake lashes. You gotta get out and spend time with the poors to remember what a normal face looks like.
I think it's a look! Not to my taste but the 'bimbo' thing is very much an aesthetic people do on purpose and I think she executes it well honestly. As Dolly said, "It costs a lot of money to look this cheap."
now do I like these people personally or what they represent? no.
For me (straight male), "rizz" in women is enthusiasm, playfulness, and cheerfulness. Obviously, no one is like that all the time, but if you have it as a baseline or can at least turn it on for a date, I'm there.
Physical attractiveness matters too, but as I've seen other guys mention, that's more of a threshold thing. Clear the threshold and anything more is a mild bonus as far as dating goes. (If we're just talking sex, the bonus is obviously a lot more significant.) I've known women who were not remotely my physical type but still drew me in with their energy.
Flirtation is not exactly "rizz" but is closely related, since many of the ways women flirt involve smiling and acting playful. But a woman getting excited and enthusiastic about the dinner she's eating at a restaurant is still... rizzing? New word can verb? Anyway. The point is that I and (I think) most men like women who can and do project positive emotions. And I would guess the same is true going the other way.
Can we all just agree "rizz" is a Gen Alpha term for "charisma"?
That's the exact word it's derived from.
“Men will disagree, but sorry guys, you don’t ask a fish for fishing advice.” This is a great line, CCH.
Sadly, it’s an age-old red pill saying!
It's also not as true as commonly believed, especially if you're going for compatibility and match and not quantity as is the case of most dating advice (hence why I've said before that most dating advice is bad because it's reaching for the wrong goal).
I think you’re privileged in that you found someone truly compatible with you (congrats btw I’ve always rooted for you)
If you’re truly willing to settle and believe that you’re not really going to be attractive to even one person being yourself, the advice is pretty good.
For some people, casting a very wide net is the best option.
Then the problem is your belief that you won’t be attractive to even 1 person being yourself. *That* is what I had to realize was false, and it took spending time being out in the dating market to realize it was false. And it’s likely false for most people who believe it, *provided that they have the basics in order* (career, emotional development, interests/hobbies, etc.). What I realized was that in fact, I had my shit together *better* than most people my age especially given the adversity I faced…but was unusual enough in terms of my interests/hobbies/neurotype that I wasn’t a good match for most. But once I matched with a fellow ND who also had their shit together (and likely a little better than me)? It actually wasn’t hard convincing her to start a relationship with me. But she’s one in a thousand, if that.
Hmmmmm ok
Those red pill guys are fishing for incels and not women, though.
Lotta meat on them incels